October 30, 2009
Y2Kyoto: I Say "Bring It On"
Because there's not one problem outlined in this report that can't be solved by drawing a line through a map.
Posted by Kate at October 30, 2009 12:30 AM
Comments
Amen to that, Kate. I've been saying the same thing all day at Blue Like You.
Posted by: Soccermom at October 30, 2009 12:48 AM
Posted by: Soccermom at October 30, 2009 12:48 AM
When the global warming/kyoto thing really got going in the late nineties, most people would just brush off the topic - just some wingnuts talking about weather.
When I first became aware of the scam in about 2001, there was hardly a mention in the blogs about the scam side of the Kult (the media, of course, was full square behind the fearmongering)
When I first came to reading sda, about late 2004, there were a few mentions but most were not really aware of the consequences ahead.
Kate and some commenters where revealling how a man from Oak Lake Manitoba was scheming to install One World Government.
Today, GW is a major topic on most blogs.
Even just three years ago, most commenters to an article (media and blogs) believed in AGW.
Today, virtually all commenters on blogs know the "science" of GW is just another religion, cult.
But what is most striking is the shift in commenter attitude at major media. It is laughable how most commenters call out the MSM on it's support of the hoax.
And what is even more striking is how many at sites such as DeSmog and Monbiot are speaking out against the host.
And yet far too many Canadian politicians still back the economy killing fraud. (At least publicly)
Why ?
Posted by: ron in kelowna at October 30, 2009 1:12 AM
When I first became aware of the scam in about 2001, there was hardly a mention in the blogs about the scam side of the Kult (the media, of course, was full square behind the fearmongering)
When I first came to reading sda, about late 2004, there were a few mentions but most were not really aware of the consequences ahead.
Kate and some commenters where revealling how a man from Oak Lake Manitoba was scheming to install One World Government.
Today, GW is a major topic on most blogs.
Even just three years ago, most commenters to an article (media and blogs) believed in AGW.
Today, virtually all commenters on blogs know the "science" of GW is just another religion, cult.
But what is most striking is the shift in commenter attitude at major media. It is laughable how most commenters call out the MSM on it's support of the hoax.
And what is even more striking is how many at sites such as DeSmog and Monbiot are speaking out against the host.
And yet far too many Canadian politicians still back the economy killing fraud. (At least publicly)
Why ?
Posted by: ron in kelowna at October 30, 2009 1:12 AM
I'd say that's low balling the damage considerably. Really, this is the most relevant excerpt from the story:
"...The TD Bank financed Calgary-based Pembina Institute and Vancouver's David Suzuki Foundation to produce the comprehensive report..."
Foxes, henhouses, ... etc. 'Nuff said.
Posted by: RL at October 30, 2009 1:38 AM
"...The TD Bank financed Calgary-based Pembina Institute and Vancouver's David Suzuki Foundation to produce the comprehensive report..."
Foxes, henhouses, ... etc. 'Nuff said.
Posted by: RL at October 30, 2009 1:38 AM
when you are robbing Paul to pay Pierre , you can always depend on the support of Pierre.
FREE THE WEST
Posted by: cal2 at October 30, 2009 1:41 AM
FREE THE WEST
Posted by: cal2 at October 30, 2009 1:41 AM
How can they contend that "the Canadian economy overall" will keep growing if every province, save Ontario, shows negative growth, even in their best scenario? Do these freakin' idiots even read their own reports?
Posted by: KevinB at October 30, 2009 2:04 AM
Posted by: KevinB at October 30, 2009 2:04 AM
Agreed, bring it on.
I recall a transfer of wealth of this scale from western Canada to the east being imposed from about 1980 to 1986. This cost the province of Alberta about $80 Billion dollars (not inflation adjusted.), a loss was also incurred in Saskatchewan. This theft from Alberta has not been paid, neither in monetary nor in "good will".
I cannot imagine a conservative government thinking they can get away with this type of theft again, without the very real threat of a western separation movement taking hold.
With that in mind, I don't believe that Ontario and the Atlantic provinces could maintain the flow of federally directed transfer payments to Quebec, ($8 Billion per annum) someone might want to mention this to them, before they go off on their rant of how we don't care for the environment. The environment isn't the point of this bullshit, the transfer of wealth from one region to another is everything to these socialists.
It is everything I hold in contempt.
Posted by: marc in calgary at October 30, 2009 2:09 AM
I recall a transfer of wealth of this scale from western Canada to the east being imposed from about 1980 to 1986. This cost the province of Alberta about $80 Billion dollars (not inflation adjusted.), a loss was also incurred in Saskatchewan. This theft from Alberta has not been paid, neither in monetary nor in "good will".
I cannot imagine a conservative government thinking they can get away with this type of theft again, without the very real threat of a western separation movement taking hold.
With that in mind, I don't believe that Ontario and the Atlantic provinces could maintain the flow of federally directed transfer payments to Quebec, ($8 Billion per annum) someone might want to mention this to them, before they go off on their rant of how we don't care for the environment. The environment isn't the point of this bullshit, the transfer of wealth from one region to another is everything to these socialists.
It is everything I hold in contempt.
Posted by: marc in calgary at October 30, 2009 2:09 AM
What's with the TD Bank? They have been very political lately and that can't be good for business, can it? Every time they trot out Don Drummond, they lose business. You'd think they would notice.
Posted by: Usual Suspect at October 30, 2009 2:09 AM
Posted by: Usual Suspect at October 30, 2009 2:09 AM
We should just look south of our border for the answer to this climate hoax sprouting fangs - very very scary Tsars are flexing Totalitarian muscle down there and Canada is the lily pad floating on top of that shallow swamp. We are living in dangerous times...I have read way too much history to even question how fragile our Liberty and freedom are at this time. I Thank God for the one Blessing Canada has - Stephen Harper is our Prime Minister - if the Troika of Traitors or some Liberano were running the show, things in Canada would be much, much worse...
Any sane person knows that this temperature/climate, hope ee/changieee thingie is a hoax to enable the Marxists to make all free citizens of the world slaves.
Listen to Genn Beck - he knows all about unka Mo and his red boys/girlies.
Posted by: Jema54 at October 30, 2009 2:43 AM
Any sane person knows that this temperature/climate, hope ee/changieee thingie is a hoax to enable the Marxists to make all free citizens of the world slaves.
Listen to Genn Beck - he knows all about unka Mo and his red boys/girlies.
Posted by: Jema54 at October 30, 2009 2:43 AM
Not so sure, Usual Suspect... Perhaps TD is sponsoring these reports in order to show the lunacy of it all. The article does say that "the bank's interest was to shed light on an area where there has been little informed debate: the likely cost of imposing regulations."
The more these enviro-idiots get into the dirty details, the quicker their argument falls apart. I'm all for them speaking up.
Posted by: Bull at October 30, 2009 2:56 AM
The more these enviro-idiots get into the dirty details, the quicker their argument falls apart. I'm all for them speaking up.
Posted by: Bull at October 30, 2009 2:56 AM
It will be a proud day when our government wins the "dinosaur award" from the greens at Copenhagen. Or it will be a happy day when Sask and Alberta have nuclear, oil and coal(proven energy) while "old" Canada depends unsightly, bird killing windmills and solar (have you forgotten how much sunlight we get in our Canadian winters when demand is highest).
Posted by: absinthe enhanced at October 30, 2009 2:58 AM
Posted by: absinthe enhanced at October 30, 2009 2:58 AM
TD should be pilloried for getting involved with the PI and the DSF. The G&M should as well for calling the report "landmark".
All of this is much ado about nothing. Cap and trade in the US is dead and Copenhagen is as well. All we will be hearing from here on is lip-service from politicians but no legislation.
Posted by: Gord Tulk at October 30, 2009 4:40 AM
All of this is much ado about nothing. Cap and trade in the US is dead and Copenhagen is as well. All we will be hearing from here on is lip-service from politicians but no legislation.
Posted by: Gord Tulk at October 30, 2009 4:40 AM
Ahh yes, separation, the coward's way out.
Posted by: AtlanticJim at October 30, 2009 5:01 AM
Posted by: AtlanticJim at October 30, 2009 5:01 AM
Jim,
Are you suggesting armed revolt?
Do you plan on calling in the Montana National Guard?
Posted by: Doug at October 30, 2009 6:06 AM
Are you suggesting armed revolt?
Do you plan on calling in the Montana National Guard?
Posted by: Doug at October 30, 2009 6:06 AM
guess who will finace all those carbon credit's the bank's !
Posted by: royalist at October 30, 2009 7:23 AM
Posted by: royalist at October 30, 2009 7:23 AM
The only problem is, after you draw that line, you'll still be stuck with Vancouver.
Posted by: MikeM at October 30, 2009 7:32 AM
Posted by: MikeM at October 30, 2009 7:32 AM
Read carefully. The table does not depict overall growth in GDP, but rather, the difference in GDP between execution and non-execution of GHG emission reduction goals. So a negative doesn't necessarily mean a decrease in GDP.
However, given the footprints of Dr. Drosophila & Co. on this report, the projected losses are probably, er, conservative.
Better to draw a line in the (oil) sand than on the map. You might be able to save the entire country from the warmmongers.
Posted by: Ramon Daley at October 30, 2009 7:56 AM
However, given the footprints of Dr. Drosophila & Co. on this report, the projected losses are probably, er, conservative.
Better to draw a line in the (oil) sand than on the map. You might be able to save the entire country from the warmmongers.
Posted by: Ramon Daley at October 30, 2009 7:56 AM
Time to never ever do any business with the TD Bank.
They are just salivating over the prospect of transaction fees trading carbon credits.
Do business with Dr. Fruit Fly and you are on my boycott list.
Posted by: Fred at October 30, 2009 8:21 AM
They are just salivating over the prospect of transaction fees trading carbon credits.
Do business with Dr. Fruit Fly and you are on my boycott list.
Posted by: Fred at October 30, 2009 8:21 AM
Hmm...
The size and scale of such a massive restructuring carries the seeds of its own destruction within it.
It's one thing to "sound" green but I seriously doubt any political party in this country has the ability to pull the whole thing off.
Because no political party could ever hope to stay in office long enough to see it through.
Posted by: JJM at October 30, 2009 8:59 AM
The size and scale of such a massive restructuring carries the seeds of its own destruction within it.
It's one thing to "sound" green but I seriously doubt any political party in this country has the ability to pull the whole thing off.
Because no political party could ever hope to stay in office long enough to see it through.
Posted by: JJM at October 30, 2009 8:59 AM
For those of you criticizing TD for joining forces with the two loony outfits - think for a second. If the Fraser Institute or a similar thinktank would have sponsored the report, it would be quickly ignored by most people as propaganda. The Pembinas and Suzukis of the world now have to defend their stupid plans. Read the National Post account - these groups are now on the defensive as are the politicians. Anybody who wants a vote west of Brandon better pay close attention.
Posted by: Mad Eye at October 30, 2009 9:11 AM
Posted by: Mad Eye at October 30, 2009 9:11 AM
From the G&M editorial:
There may still be some low-hanging fruit, in energy efficiency and clean technology, to help Canada reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Canadians may be ready, if reluctantly, to feel some pain in the move to a lower carbon future. But there is no silver bullet; voters rejected the Green Shift in the last federal election, and the Pembina Institute/David Suzuki Foundation analysis is unsaleable and dangerous.
With the Copenhagen climate-change conference less than six weeks away, we stand at a critical juncture. There are two paths.
The federal government must present a policy package that will show, and not just tell, how Canada will meet its stated and international obligations to mitigate the effects of climate change.
Or the target may be unreachable without unacceptable damage to Canada's economy and national unity. In which case, it is time for new targets, and new policies.
Posted by: Mad Eye at October 30, 2009 9:19 AM
There may still be some low-hanging fruit, in energy efficiency and clean technology, to help Canada reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Canadians may be ready, if reluctantly, to feel some pain in the move to a lower carbon future. But there is no silver bullet; voters rejected the Green Shift in the last federal election, and the Pembina Institute/David Suzuki Foundation analysis is unsaleable and dangerous.
With the Copenhagen climate-change conference less than six weeks away, we stand at a critical juncture. There are two paths.
The federal government must present a policy package that will show, and not just tell, how Canada will meet its stated and international obligations to mitigate the effects of climate change.
Or the target may be unreachable without unacceptable damage to Canada's economy and national unity. In which case, it is time for new targets, and new policies.
Posted by: Mad Eye at October 30, 2009 9:19 AM
"Anybody who wants a vote west of Brandon better pay close attention."
And east of it too!
No one is going to do well by this scheme.
The NEP not only cost the idiot Liberals the West, it harmed all Canadians.
Posted by: JJM at October 30, 2009 9:21 AM
And east of it too!
No one is going to do well by this scheme.
The NEP not only cost the idiot Liberals the West, it harmed all Canadians.
Posted by: JJM at October 30, 2009 9:21 AM
Pay attention as well to the involvement of Jaccard.
This is the genius who designed BC's carbon tax, an was also a political appointee of the B.C. Utilities Commission in the infamous BC NDP government of the 90's.
This guy, somehow is revered as an economic forecaster.....I don't get it! He's poison, a socialist that keeps getting economic work.
If this report isn't self serving, I don't know what is. Its like these reports, sponsored by PETA, that conclude meat is bad for you, surprise, surprise.
anything written/sponsored/paid by Suzuki is pure propaganda of the looney moonbat left. The danger is too many people see his name, and think 'Ah, that's that soft spoke guy from CBC, he's such a nice young man', and swallow the lickspittle he trots out.
Notice how shrill he is becoming lately, as he is also mouthing the 'tipping point' and the need to hurry hurry to get a deal done? He must know as well the jig is almost up, as they keep trotting out the numbers up to 1998....11 years ago. That data set is starting to look a bit weak, eh wot, Fruitfly?
Posted by: DanBC at October 30, 2009 9:25 AM
This is the genius who designed BC's carbon tax, an was also a political appointee of the B.C. Utilities Commission in the infamous BC NDP government of the 90's.
This guy, somehow is revered as an economic forecaster.....I don't get it! He's poison, a socialist that keeps getting economic work.
If this report isn't self serving, I don't know what is. Its like these reports, sponsored by PETA, that conclude meat is bad for you, surprise, surprise.
anything written/sponsored/paid by Suzuki is pure propaganda of the looney moonbat left. The danger is too many people see his name, and think 'Ah, that's that soft spoke guy from CBC, he's such a nice young man', and swallow the lickspittle he trots out.
Notice how shrill he is becoming lately, as he is also mouthing the 'tipping point' and the need to hurry hurry to get a deal done? He must know as well the jig is almost up, as they keep trotting out the numbers up to 1998....11 years ago. That data set is starting to look a bit weak, eh wot, Fruitfly?
Posted by: DanBC at October 30, 2009 9:25 AM
"Because no political party could ever hope to stay in office long enough to see it through."
But isn't that the goal of these wannabe controllers? Nobody in 2015 will remember (thanks to our wonderfully forgetful MSM) failed predictions, let alone what happens in 2050.
Scam, scam, scam.
Predicting (and profiting from the fear generated) the pending apocalypse always sells books and scares people.
The lefties, devoid of any solutions, default to trying to scare people. Next up is the worldwide "shortage" of water, even though desalination plants can solve this "crisis".
Look for the lefties to protest desalination plants as being "harmful to the environment" in some way. They're idiots, but while we try to help those who need, they try to stifle us.
Informed criticism is one thing, crying "foul" and "unfair" and NIMBY/the-world-will-end is quite another.
Posted by: PiperPaul at October 30, 2009 9:44 AM
But isn't that the goal of these wannabe controllers? Nobody in 2015 will remember (thanks to our wonderfully forgetful MSM) failed predictions, let alone what happens in 2050.
Scam, scam, scam.
Predicting (and profiting from the fear generated) the pending apocalypse always sells books and scares people.
The lefties, devoid of any solutions, default to trying to scare people. Next up is the worldwide "shortage" of water, even though desalination plants can solve this "crisis".
Look for the lefties to protest desalination plants as being "harmful to the environment" in some way. They're idiots, but while we try to help those who need, they try to stifle us.
Informed criticism is one thing, crying "foul" and "unfair" and NIMBY/the-world-will-end is quite another.
Posted by: PiperPaul at October 30, 2009 9:44 AM
My best guess ( and it's not based on any particular knowledge of the subject) is that the CPC will drag it's heels and dither until the tide has turned and this farce of AGW becomes passe.
Maybe OT but here's a website I would recommend to anyone interested in the Canadian energy industry and one man's plans on how to make Canada an energy superpower. Heard him speak a week ago and was mightily impressed.
http://www.clembowman.info/
Posted by: atric at October 30, 2009 9:44 AM
Maybe OT but here's a website I would recommend to anyone interested in the Canadian energy industry and one man's plans on how to make Canada an energy superpower. Heard him speak a week ago and was mightily impressed.
http://www.clembowman.info/
Posted by: atric at October 30, 2009 9:44 AM
Canada WILL be an energy superpower. Some people either don't want that or are positioning themselves to take a cut of the action via publicity extortion.
All the usual suspects pop up. We already know who they are/represent.
Posted by: PiperPaul at October 30, 2009 9:54 AM
All the usual suspects pop up. We already know who they are/represent.
Posted by: PiperPaul at October 30, 2009 9:54 AM
A study by TD Bank, eh?
That wouldn't happen to be the same TD Bank run by CEO Edmund Clarke would it? After all, good ole Ed was the top civil servant who implimented the National Energy Program for Trudeau.
Posted by: Jason at October 30, 2009 9:55 AM
That wouldn't happen to be the same TD Bank run by CEO Edmund Clarke would it? After all, good ole Ed was the top civil servant who implimented the National Energy Program for Trudeau.
Posted by: Jason at October 30, 2009 9:55 AM
I often wondered who was financing the wing nuts. I'm guessing Alberta Treasury Branch stocks will climb. People need to head out and make a switch, with this information. May I also suggest Scotia Bank, as they always treated me fantastically.
Posted by: wuberman at October 30, 2009 9:56 AM
Posted by: wuberman at October 30, 2009 9:56 AM
Ahh yes, separation, the coward's way out.
~ AtlanticJim at 5:01 AM
I guess that means you wouldn't miss us.
Posted by: glasnost at October 30, 2009 10:13 AM
~ AtlanticJim at 5:01 AM
I guess that means you wouldn't miss us.
Posted by: glasnost at October 30, 2009 10:13 AM
Doesn't it depend how we address the 'problem'? We can send money all over or we can spend it to alleviate the perceived problems. Not many agree with carbon sequestration but if we go that way the jobs and money spent will stay where it is produced. Even though it may cost as much we would develop technology and create jobs here. That would benefit the Western economy rather than just send money away willy-nilly. Ralph Klein took steps to ensure there would never be another NEP. Brad Wall took steps to ensure we didn't ship jobs and money away. It can be done.
Posted by: Speedy at October 30, 2009 10:13 AM
Posted by: Speedy at October 30, 2009 10:13 AM
I thought Doc Fruit Fly's expertise was in genetics, so how does he become an "expert" in studies of climate dynamics? Now he attaches his name to economic forecasting models. Is there nothing the Doc can't do? This really adds a lot to the credibility of Drummond and the TD bank.
Posted by: Martin at October 30, 2009 10:20 AM
Posted by: Martin at October 30, 2009 10:20 AM
Apparently Doc Suzuki - in a gesture to demonstrate his solidarity and sincerity with the great cause - has agreed to have Salt Spring Island completely covered by wind turbines and solar panels, including his own residence.
Ha ha! Not.
Posted by: JJM at October 30, 2009 10:33 AM
Ha ha! Not.
Posted by: JJM at October 30, 2009 10:33 AM
Quebec is like that no good brother in law who married your stupid sister Ontario.
Posted by: tim in vermont at October 30, 2009 10:35 AM
Posted by: tim in vermont at October 30, 2009 10:35 AM
Because there's not one problem outlined in this report that can't be solved by drawing a line through a map.
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Kate, were you thinking that line should be drawn with a sharp knife?
Many years ago when there were a handful of crackpot Western separatist groups in our part of the country, they and their ideas struck me as being totally loopy, and they probably were. Now I'm warming considerably to the idea. Like you say, bring it on!!
Posted by: Louise at October 30, 2009 10:41 AM
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Kate, were you thinking that line should be drawn with a sharp knife?
Many years ago when there were a handful of crackpot Western separatist groups in our part of the country, they and their ideas struck me as being totally loopy, and they probably were. Now I'm warming considerably to the idea. Like you say, bring it on!!
Posted by: Louise at October 30, 2009 10:41 AM
MikeM @ 7:32am: The only problem is, after you draw that line, you'll still be stuck with Vancouver.
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Pray for an earthquake. (Just kidding, all you West Coasters)
Posted by: Louise at October 30, 2009 10:44 AM
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Pray for an earthquake. (Just kidding, all you West Coasters)
Posted by: Louise at October 30, 2009 10:44 AM
Let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark.
Posted by: Pierce at October 30, 2009 10:44 AM
Posted by: Pierce at October 30, 2009 10:44 AM
Atlantic Jim I've been reading your posts for a long time now and everytime the east/west thing comes up you have a slur against the West.
You want to know what I think? Up yours.
Posted by: Terry Anderson at October 30, 2009 10:47 AM
You want to know what I think? Up yours.
Posted by: Terry Anderson at October 30, 2009 10:47 AM
"Many years ago when there were a handful of crackpot Western separatist groups in our part of the country, they and their ideas struck me as being totally loopy, and they probably were."
They're still crackpots and they're still totally loopy.
Posted by: JJM at October 30, 2009 10:52 AM
They're still crackpots and they're still totally loopy.
Posted by: JJM at October 30, 2009 10:52 AM
Atlantic Jim @ 5:01 am, move west. There's tons of you folks out here.
Posted by: Louise at October 30, 2009 10:55 AM
Posted by: Louise at October 30, 2009 10:55 AM
Ron in Kelowna ... you asked why politicians aren't twigging to stupidity of this Global Warming pandemic? Here is why.
None of this has anything to do with saving us or our planet, it's about control and corruption and extortion ... you know ... the things that politicians are so good at.
Nothing suggested can possibly affect our climate. That is the job of the Sun, the ocean currents and the cloud formations. We are here for the ride. We are not at the wheel. Control freaks who are politicians cannot grok this concept so they do what they can to make everything worse.
Posted by: Momar at October 30, 2009 10:59 AM
None of this has anything to do with saving us or our planet, it's about control and corruption and extortion ... you know ... the things that politicians are so good at.
Nothing suggested can possibly affect our climate. That is the job of the Sun, the ocean currents and the cloud formations. We are here for the ride. We are not at the wheel. Control freaks who are politicians cannot grok this concept so they do what they can to make everything worse.
Posted by: Momar at October 30, 2009 10:59 AM
Should read ADAPTATION DEBT .
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at October 30, 2009 11:05 AM
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at October 30, 2009 11:05 AM
I guess this GW extortion thing is nothing new.
Many Politicians and some unscrupulous business people are always looking for a way to dramatically increase their revenue/taxes through legislation.
Think Home Depot and the switch from incandescent to (poisonous) mercury.
Think GE and windmills.
Think metric bolts and Stelco.
Think biofuels and corn growers.
Think soft on crime and the court system.
Posted by: ron in kelowna at October 30, 2009 11:16 AM
Many Politicians and some unscrupulous business people are always looking for a way to dramatically increase their revenue/taxes through legislation.
Think Home Depot and the switch from incandescent to (poisonous) mercury.
Think GE and windmills.
Think metric bolts and Stelco.
Think biofuels and corn growers.
Think soft on crime and the court system.
Posted by: ron in kelowna at October 30, 2009 11:16 AM
A blast from the past, Dec. 26, 1998
"Consolidating Ms. Stewart's [former Lib enviro minister] statements, we reach some horrific conclusions. Whether global warming actually exists is irrelevant. It is, in the hands of government and environmental activists, a convenient front for the introduction of programs and economic policies that Canadians - and most citizens of the world - would not otherwise accept.
Ms. Stewart, perhaps unintentionally, has identified the two key foundations of the global warming movement. One is based in environmentalism, which essentially claims that human beings are a problem in nature. The other foundation is the old business of economic redistribution. Both these movements are linked in the international climate change treaty Canada signed in Kyoto. Environment Canada has already given up trying to examine the science. It never really tried. Instead, it spends hundreds of millions of dollars churning out propaganda on the hypothetical effects of global warming. Its latest reports include hundreds of studies warning of everything from spreading insect-borne disease to increasing forest fires."
http://www.sepp.org/Archive/reality/realagenda.html
Posted by: Kathryn at October 30, 2009 11:22 AM
"Consolidating Ms. Stewart's [former Lib enviro minister] statements, we reach some horrific conclusions. Whether global warming actually exists is irrelevant. It is, in the hands of government and environmental activists, a convenient front for the introduction of programs and economic policies that Canadians - and most citizens of the world - would not otherwise accept.
Ms. Stewart, perhaps unintentionally, has identified the two key foundations of the global warming movement. One is based in environmentalism, which essentially claims that human beings are a problem in nature. The other foundation is the old business of economic redistribution. Both these movements are linked in the international climate change treaty Canada signed in Kyoto. Environment Canada has already given up trying to examine the science. It never really tried. Instead, it spends hundreds of millions of dollars churning out propaganda on the hypothetical effects of global warming. Its latest reports include hundreds of studies warning of everything from spreading insect-borne disease to increasing forest fires."
http://www.sepp.org/Archive/reality/realagenda.html
Posted by: Kathryn at October 30, 2009 11:22 AM
Think a good 'End Of The World' story and the media.
Posted by: ron in kelowna at October 30, 2009 11:36 AM
Posted by: ron in kelowna at October 30, 2009 11:36 AM
Kind of interesting, eh? Earlier this week, we had that raucous near-riot in Parliament, a fine display of the sober civility of the AGW proponents for all our government MPs to see, up close and personal.
Now this document emerges, from an unimpeachably left-wing source, that shows the horrendous costs we would incur if we adopted the Kyoto lunacy.
Two very useful pillars to buttress abstention by Canada at the upcoming Copenhagen bun-toss.
Posted by: gordinkneehill at October 30, 2009 11:46 AM
Now this document emerges, from an unimpeachably left-wing source, that shows the horrendous costs we would incur if we adopted the Kyoto lunacy.
Two very useful pillars to buttress abstention by Canada at the upcoming Copenhagen bun-toss.
Posted by: gordinkneehill at October 30, 2009 11:46 AM
I believe Dr.Mengele Suzuki lives just off Kitsilano and has his other residence on Quadra where he has a pulpit installed.
Posted by: cal2 at October 30, 2009 11:48 AM
Posted by: cal2 at October 30, 2009 11:48 AM
Under this scheme Ontario and Quebec will do better? By 2012 Ontario will have a twenty five billion dollar debt and rising and Quebec wont have any transfer payments because the west will be broke and thats doing better? Even a higher GST will take most of its money from Ontario and Quebec.The maritimes will just float away,never to be heard from again.Newfoundland and Labrador will join Greenland and cut off power to Quebec which they should do anyway.
Posted by: spike 1 at October 30, 2009 11:50 AM
Posted by: spike 1 at October 30, 2009 11:50 AM
"A study by TD Bank, eh?
That wouldn't happen to be the same TD Bank run by CEO Edmund Clarke would it? After all, good ole Ed was the top civil servant who implemented the National Energy Program for Trudeau."
"What's with the TD Bank? They have been very political lately and that can't be good for business, can it? Every time they trot out Don Drummond, they lose business. You'd think they would notice." "Don Drummond, Senior Vice President and Chief Economist, TD Bank Financial Group"
Bingo. This shouldn't be good for TD's business.
Posted by: David at October 30, 2009 11:51 AM
That wouldn't happen to be the same TD Bank run by CEO Edmund Clarke would it? After all, good ole Ed was the top civil servant who implemented the National Energy Program for Trudeau."
"What's with the TD Bank? They have been very political lately and that can't be good for business, can it? Every time they trot out Don Drummond, they lose business. You'd think they would notice." "Don Drummond, Senior Vice President and Chief Economist, TD Bank Financial Group"
Bingo. This shouldn't be good for TD's business.
Posted by: David at October 30, 2009 11:51 AM
"Two very useful pillars to buttress abstention by Canada at the upcoming Copenhagen bun-toss."
Au contraire. We should go, offer vaguely-worded assertions of support, and agree that "something must be done".
Then we should just come back and carry on as normal - which is what other countries eventually end up doing when it all gets too difficult for them.
This will have the added bonus effect of further infuriating Jeh Custer.
And that's always worthwhile!
Posted by: JJM at October 30, 2009 11:52 AM
Au contraire. We should go, offer vaguely-worded assertions of support, and agree that "something must be done".
Then we should just come back and carry on as normal - which is what other countries eventually end up doing when it all gets too difficult for them.
This will have the added bonus effect of further infuriating Jeh Custer.
And that's always worthwhile!
Posted by: JJM at October 30, 2009 11:52 AM
On the one hand, it may seem pretty decent of TD Bank to fund a study to point out the cost of all this GHG lunacy. On the other, how disingenuous do they have to be, thinking they will get any truth on this matter from Suckzooki and the Pemby Institute? Have the tall foreheads at TD thought about how this could affect their own credibility?
Last night on local CBC radio (Winnipeg) the airheads were jollying about how this looks to be a good thing for Manitoba. Have they not seen the last 20 years in which the wackjobs have done everything they can to delay or stop hydro projects? Do they really believe that something which hurts Alberta and Saskatchewan energy industry can be good for Manitoba?
Posted by: felis corpulentis at October 30, 2009 11:57 AM
Last night on local CBC radio (Winnipeg) the airheads were jollying about how this looks to be a good thing for Manitoba. Have they not seen the last 20 years in which the wackjobs have done everything they can to delay or stop hydro projects? Do they really believe that something which hurts Alberta and Saskatchewan energy industry can be good for Manitoba?
Posted by: felis corpulentis at October 30, 2009 11:57 AM
I don't see a need to lend credibility to the Global Warming crisis that the left has sold to the media through concrete action.
We can lick this one on our own by continuing to ask questions of the house of cards that are the climate models that underpins this movement.
Plus - what would become of the CFL?
Posted by: Beer and Popcorn at October 30, 2009 11:58 AM
We can lick this one on our own by continuing to ask questions of the house of cards that are the climate models that underpins this movement.
Plus - what would become of the CFL?
Posted by: Beer and Popcorn at October 30, 2009 11:58 AM
The climate alarmists and their rent seeking friends have shot themselves in the foot big time. They have now complicated their case by introducing a highly politicized and inflammatory national unity issue into their little stealth game. All this with the impending collapse of COP15 (yay!).
Predict that the only federal politician to support this foolish plan is Gille Duceppe. Who will relish throwing some gasoline on the fire for his own reasons.
Posted by: Bart F. at October 30, 2009 12:02 PM
Predict that the only federal politician to support this foolish plan is Gille Duceppe. Who will relish throwing some gasoline on the fire for his own reasons.
Posted by: Bart F. at October 30, 2009 12:02 PM
AB BC and SK lets pack our bags so scum bags LEACHES like Atlantic Jim will starve to death when there's nothing to suck blood from.
Posted by: Claude at October 30, 2009 12:06 PM
Posted by: Claude at October 30, 2009 12:06 PM
I applaud TD bank and D.Drummond for sponsoring this. At this point no-one from Gov't. has laid out the costs of their carbon reduction plan. Prentice almost had a bird when he heard the No.s.
At C311 (NDP bill to force Copenhagen) committee hearings, Pembina (one of the authors) stated to the question which country would make the most economic sacrifice to meet these numbers - Canada. Lets not forget - Jaccard eco consultant did the basic numbers on an econometric model - the holy holy of Greens and IPCC.
Posted by: Mikewa at October 30, 2009 12:08 PM
At C311 (NDP bill to force Copenhagen) committee hearings, Pembina (one of the authors) stated to the question which country would make the most economic sacrifice to meet these numbers - Canada. Lets not forget - Jaccard eco consultant did the basic numbers on an econometric model - the holy holy of Greens and IPCC.
Posted by: Mikewa at October 30, 2009 12:08 PM
I guess the Scum Bags are using GNP to confuse the unsuspecting public (one crumb at a time)...Then they will switch to the GPI (genuine Progress Index) which will look fantastic to the dim witted... after all the NEW Global Governance has it's own set of tools...
It's important to follow the Money...The Environmentalist (upper level) are directly funded by a share of the Smoking taxes that the UN/California push for profit... The Envois PR firms, like Acorn, are all funded by taxpayers. It’s the way of Van Jones
The Cap & Trade in the USA is DOA. Canada should just wait for the dust to settle as the UN gangsters pushing AGW pop up as floaters in the East River.
JMHO
Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at October 30, 2009 12:10 PM
It's important to follow the Money...The Environmentalist (upper level) are directly funded by a share of the Smoking taxes that the UN/California push for profit... The Envois PR firms, like Acorn, are all funded by taxpayers. It’s the way of Van Jones
The Cap & Trade in the USA is DOA. Canada should just wait for the dust to settle as the UN gangsters pushing AGW pop up as floaters in the East River.
JMHO
Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at October 30, 2009 12:10 PM
Louise: "Many years ago when there were a handful of crackpot Western separatist groups in our part of the country, they and their ideas struck me as being totally loopy, and they probably were."
Me: "They're still crackpots and they're still totally loopy."
Claude: "AB BC and SK lets [sic] pack our bags so scum bags [sic] LEACHES like Atlantic Jim will starve to death when there's nothing to suck blood from."
Me: "QED."
Posted by: JJM at October 30, 2009 12:19 PM
Me: "They're still crackpots and they're still totally loopy."
Claude: "AB BC and SK lets [sic] pack our bags so scum bags [sic] LEACHES like Atlantic Jim will starve to death when there's nothing to suck blood from."
Me: "QED."
Posted by: JJM at October 30, 2009 12:19 PM
JJM @ 11:53
You and I are on the same page. I didn't mean that Canada should not attend the conference; just that we should mouth platitudes and sign NOTHING.
Posted by: gordinkneehill at October 30, 2009 12:22 PM
You and I are on the same page. I didn't mean that Canada should not attend the conference; just that we should mouth platitudes and sign NOTHING.
Posted by: gordinkneehill at October 30, 2009 12:22 PM
godinkneehill - I think that's exactly what will happen
Posted by: Erik Larsen at October 30, 2009 1:45 PM
Posted by: Erik Larsen at October 30, 2009 1:45 PM
I think this is very timely. Canadians who work hard and pay their taxes will get a wake-up call on just what this foolishness will cost them and their families. TD is to be commended for doing what probably one one else has been able to do. This shows where it would hit us all, in the wallet.
I wonder if there is anyway to show how much the drop in GDP will increase un-employement? Also it would be useful to know and broadcast just what the tax hit would be.
Iffy needs to confirm whether he and his gang would support this. Same for all the Laytonites in this country.
We need an election on just this issue, Copenhagen or not Copenhagen, that is the question.
Posted by: Western Skeptic at October 30, 2009 2:07 PM
I wonder if there is anyway to show how much the drop in GDP will increase un-employement? Also it would be useful to know and broadcast just what the tax hit would be.
Iffy needs to confirm whether he and his gang would support this. Same for all the Laytonites in this country.
We need an election on just this issue, Copenhagen or not Copenhagen, that is the question.
Posted by: Western Skeptic at October 30, 2009 2:07 PM
If you want an example re lip service - the US is happy to receive oil through the new pipeline - "The Alberta Clipper" - I don't think the US government will hand wring too much about "dirty oil". What the govt says publicly may be different.
http://www.businessnorth.com/exclusives.asp?RID=3219
Posted by: Erik Larsen at October 30, 2009 2:52 PM
http://www.businessnorth.com/exclusives.asp?RID=3219
Posted by: Erik Larsen at October 30, 2009 2:52 PM
Jim
What do you care if most people in the west support separation?
Posted by: Indiana Homez at October 30, 2009 3:20 PM
What do you care if most people in the west support separation?
Posted by: Indiana Homez at October 30, 2009 3:20 PM
Make that two lines.
But if you want more aggressive action,
Newfoundlanders make good soldiers.
Posted by: John Lewis at October 30, 2009 3:20 PM
But if you want more aggressive action,
Newfoundlanders make good soldiers.
Posted by: John Lewis at October 30, 2009 3:20 PM
I love the WS topic. First because it's one of my personal issues, and second, because I take immense pleasure listening to those east of Manitoba calling us names and b*tching about even bringing up the topic. Bottom line, it drives the ego maniacs our east nuts knowing that on this one issue THEY HAVE NO SAY! Nobody cares what Ontario, the Atlantic or whom ever else says regardless of how badly they out number us in the House of Commons.
Here's a litmus test: If Alberta, Saskatchewan and BC were determined to split; given the choice, which side would Manitoba pick?
Better yet, if Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and BC were determined to split; given the choice, Which side would Ontario choose?
Louise
Don't ask if we should separate, ask why should we stay?
Posted by: Indiana Homez at October 30, 2009 4:03 PM
Here's a litmus test: If Alberta, Saskatchewan and BC were determined to split; given the choice, which side would Manitoba pick?
Better yet, if Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and BC were determined to split; given the choice, Which side would Ontario choose?
Louise
Don't ask if we should separate, ask why should we stay?
Posted by: Indiana Homez at October 30, 2009 4:03 PM
Spike 1
Very good point. Coincidentally some provinces are demanding a guaranteed floor for transfer payments regardless of how well the payers are doing themselves. Hmmmm...
Louise
"Pray for an earthquake."
That one made my day:)
Posted by: Indiana Homez at October 30, 2009 4:20 PM
Very good point. Coincidentally some provinces are demanding a guaranteed floor for transfer payments regardless of how well the payers are doing themselves. Hmmmm...
Louise
"Pray for an earthquake."
That one made my day:)
Posted by: Indiana Homez at October 30, 2009 4:20 PM
Well it would be nice is some group finally sent a gigantic symbolic "shove it where the sun don't shine", to the (greedy) green loons, and the unprincipled politicians that actually bother playing their idiotic game.
Business owners don't seem to want to stick together, they keep buying equipment with garbage enviro friendly unreliable diesels in them, It seems as long as the money keeps flowing who cares. The "green shift" is already costing everyone what the heck is going to happen if the likes of Copenhagen ever passes, or as was said Liberals gain power?
More power to any province that doesn't like the taste in their mouth when they are fed BS.
Posted by: Mugs at October 30, 2009 4:41 PM
Business owners don't seem to want to stick together, they keep buying equipment with garbage enviro friendly unreliable diesels in them, It seems as long as the money keeps flowing who cares. The "green shift" is already costing everyone what the heck is going to happen if the likes of Copenhagen ever passes, or as was said Liberals gain power?
More power to any province that doesn't like the taste in their mouth when they are fed BS.
Posted by: Mugs at October 30, 2009 4:41 PM
The TD Bank just lost another long time customer!
Also with the West running in the red i can`t wait until PQ is cut off the western teat....they will squeal like stuck pigs! (maybe they will have to get rid of their 7.00 per day daycare that we are paying for).
Posted by: Al W at October 30, 2009 5:00 PM
Also with the West running in the red i can`t wait until PQ is cut off the western teat....they will squeal like stuck pigs! (maybe they will have to get rid of their 7.00 per day daycare that we are paying for).
Posted by: Al W at October 30, 2009 5:00 PM
Um, not to rain on your ontario bashing but the think tanks who produced this crap are out west, aren't they? Not to mention fruit fly himself.
All the worst enviro nutters are from Vancouver. That's in BC. On the far west coast. It's nowhere near Ontario.
Just sayin...
Now continue your verbal assault on the place which had nothing to do with the story.
Posted by: Jason at October 30, 2009 5:11 PM
All the worst enviro nutters are from Vancouver. That's in BC. On the far west coast. It's nowhere near Ontario.
Just sayin...
Now continue your verbal assault on the place which had nothing to do with the story.
Posted by: Jason at October 30, 2009 5:11 PM
No worries on this crap. Harper won't do squat with the exception of some talk to appease/fool the stupid. Nothing more.
He won't sign a thing (liberals would sign then ignore it. Harper will not sign then ignore it.)
Posted by: Jason at October 30, 2009 5:15 PM
He won't sign a thing (liberals would sign then ignore it. Harper will not sign then ignore it.)
Posted by: Jason at October 30, 2009 5:15 PM
Problem is: There is no serious separation party here out west. At least not in BC. I wish there were, I would join in a heartbeat.
Posted by: Miyra at October 30, 2009 5:23 PM
Posted by: Miyra at October 30, 2009 5:23 PM
Indiana @ 4:03 I can think of no other compelling reason to stay other than withdrawal would entail a long, bitter brawl that would make lawyers very rich. I'm quite sure we could make it on our own very nicely and we'd likely rid ourselves of bleeding heart liberalism, which would be a nice bonus. All the reform we've been seeking but never got from the Libs would finally be doable. The imbalances created through confederation would no longer matter. We'd have a bit of a fight about where to put the capital city, but we could work that out. I'd have no problem with Calgary, even tho I come from a long line of sod-busting flatlanders. I think Calgary rocks.
Posted by: Louise at October 30, 2009 5:42 PM
Posted by: Louise at October 30, 2009 5:42 PM
Question : How much has it cost Alberta to be part of Canada?
Here is an incomplete list of payments I copies from the Alberta Separation Parties website.
1961-1992 Alberta paid $139 billion more in transfer payment than it received
1997-2003 Alberta paid $54.9 billion more in transfer payments than it received
2009 9.2 trillion to date and the year isn’t over yet.
Answer: It’s cost Albertans at least $203 billion in transfer payments alone since 1961 and that doesn’t include payments made from 2004-2008.
Miyra
Anecdotally I've yet to find anyone who doesn't think it's a good idea. This isn’t a left/right issue because when people I’ve spoken to from the left are made aware of the issues, they see it in there own best interest to remove the elephant from our backs.
Strategically, all of our leaders are in Ottawa trying to make Canada work despite central Canada's continued attempts to run us out. There will be a day when Ontario and Quebec give western Canada the bird at the polls and put the natural governing party back in power, or a coalition of some sort. That will be when the fun starts.
jom
Posted by: Indiana Homez at October 30, 2009 5:52 PM
Here is an incomplete list of payments I copies from the Alberta Separation Parties website.
1961-1992 Alberta paid $139 billion more in transfer payment than it received
1997-2003 Alberta paid $54.9 billion more in transfer payments than it received
2009 9.2 trillion to date and the year isn’t over yet.
Answer: It’s cost Albertans at least $203 billion in transfer payments alone since 1961 and that doesn’t include payments made from 2004-2008.
Miyra
Anecdotally I've yet to find anyone who doesn't think it's a good idea. This isn’t a left/right issue because when people I’ve spoken to from the left are made aware of the issues, they see it in there own best interest to remove the elephant from our backs.
Strategically, all of our leaders are in Ottawa trying to make Canada work despite central Canada's continued attempts to run us out. There will be a day when Ontario and Quebec give western Canada the bird at the polls and put the natural governing party back in power, or a coalition of some sort. That will be when the fun starts.
jom
Posted by: Indiana Homez at October 30, 2009 5:52 PM
Question : How much has it cost Alberta to be part of Canada?
Here is an incomplete list of payments I copies from the Alberta Separation Parties website.
1961-1992 Alberta paid $139 billion more in transfer payment than it received
1997-2003 Alberta paid $54.9 billion more in transfer payments than it received
2009 9.2 trillion to date and the year isn’t over yet.
Answer: It’s cost Albertans at least $203 billion in transfer payments alone since 1961 and that doesn’t include payments made from 2004-2008.
Miyra
Anecdotally I've yet to find anyone who doesn't think it's a good idea. This isn’t a left/right issue because when people I’ve spoken to from the left are made aware of the issues, they see it in there own best interest to remove the elephant from our backs.
Strategically, all of our leaders are in Ottawa trying to make Canada work despite central Canada's continued attempts to run us out. There will be a day when Ontario and Quebec give western Canada the bird at the polls and put the natural governing party back in power, or a coalition of some sort. That will be when the fun starts.
jom
Posted by: Indiana Homez at October 30, 2009 5:53 PM
Here is an incomplete list of payments I copies from the Alberta Separation Parties website.
1961-1992 Alberta paid $139 billion more in transfer payment than it received
1997-2003 Alberta paid $54.9 billion more in transfer payments than it received
2009 9.2 trillion to date and the year isn’t over yet.
Answer: It’s cost Albertans at least $203 billion in transfer payments alone since 1961 and that doesn’t include payments made from 2004-2008.
Miyra
Anecdotally I've yet to find anyone who doesn't think it's a good idea. This isn’t a left/right issue because when people I’ve spoken to from the left are made aware of the issues, they see it in there own best interest to remove the elephant from our backs.
Strategically, all of our leaders are in Ottawa trying to make Canada work despite central Canada's continued attempts to run us out. There will be a day when Ontario and Quebec give western Canada the bird at the polls and put the natural governing party back in power, or a coalition of some sort. That will be when the fun starts.
jom
Posted by: Indiana Homez at October 30, 2009 5:53 PM
Jason:
Headquarters of the TD bank are where?
Study commissioned by whom?
Posted by: set you free at October 30, 2009 5:58 PM
Headquarters of the TD bank are where?
Study commissioned by whom?
Posted by: set you free at October 30, 2009 5:58 PM
Being a long, long, long time Western Separatist, since the little prick Pearson thrust that eastern Canadian flag in liberal colours down our throats long time, I love to hear talk of the West saying bye bye. Could you just imagine the education and health care systems we would have without, especially Quebec, sucking everyone dry? I must say I was upset at the fact in Alberta they called it the wild rose party and narrowed their scope to Alberta alone.
Posted by: Western Canadian at October 30, 2009 6:23 PM
Posted by: Western Canadian at October 30, 2009 6:23 PM
Being a long, long, long time Western Separatist, since the little prick Pearson thrust that eastern Canadian flag in liberal colours down our throats long time, I love to hear talk of the West saying bye bye. Could you just imagine the education and health care systems we would have without, especially Quebec, sucking everyone dry? I must say I was upset at the fact in Alberta they called it the wild rose party and narrowed their scope to Alberta alone.
Posted by: Western Canadian at October 30, 2009 6:24 PM
Posted by: Western Canadian at October 30, 2009 6:24 PM
Don't ask if we should separate, ask why should we stay? ~ Indiana Homez
Wouldn't want to give up the longest un-defended border in the world.
Posted by: glasnost at October 30, 2009 6:41 PM
Wouldn't want to give up the longest un-defended border in the world.
Posted by: glasnost at October 30, 2009 6:41 PM
Goreacle Report: Please stop with the "scaremoneyring" willya.
'S'bad 'nuff being called manbearswineAGW. And, can the LizardMay "left-wing greens" stuff and the Boob Mao Stlong Lae schtick.
...-
"When people overstate happenings that aren’t necessarily climate change-related, or set up as almost certainties things that are difficult to establish scientifically, it distracts from the science we do understand.
The danger is they can be accused of scaremongering.
Also, we can all become described as kind of left-wing greens.”
"Met Office Climate Official on Arctic Ice Forecasts: “The danger is they can be accused of scaremongering.”
30 10 2009
I’ve been very critical of statements made by Dr. Mark Serreze of the National Snow and Ice Data Center. It seems that I’m not the only one critical of his statements to the press. – Anthony
Excerpts from The Times, UK story:
Exaggerated claims undermine drive to cut emissions, scientists warn
Mark Henderson, Science Editor"
urlm.in/diol (WUWT?)
Posted by: maz2 at October 30, 2009 7:08 PM
'S'bad 'nuff being called manbearswineAGW. And, can the LizardMay "left-wing greens" stuff and the Boob Mao Stlong Lae schtick.
...-
"When people overstate happenings that aren’t necessarily climate change-related, or set up as almost certainties things that are difficult to establish scientifically, it distracts from the science we do understand.
The danger is they can be accused of scaremongering.
Also, we can all become described as kind of left-wing greens.”
"Met Office Climate Official on Arctic Ice Forecasts: “The danger is they can be accused of scaremongering.”
30 10 2009
I’ve been very critical of statements made by Dr. Mark Serreze of the National Snow and Ice Data Center. It seems that I’m not the only one critical of his statements to the press. – Anthony
Excerpts from The Times, UK story:
Exaggerated claims undermine drive to cut emissions, scientists warn
Mark Henderson, Science Editor"
urlm.in/diol (WUWT?)
Posted by: maz2 at October 30, 2009 7:08 PM
A comment* from WUWT? (see above).
As the commenter points out, the finger-pointing within the AGWarmist religion is starting.
Say goodnight, Lorne.
Goodnight Lorne.
...-
"*wws (16:17:17)
What’s pathetic is that all of the scaremongering (An Inconvenient Truth, anyone?) was just fine as long as it looked like it was driving a friendly political resolution.
But now that some of the brighter warmists are starting to realize that they’re just shooting themselves in the foot, it’s “hold on! We know that story was way overhyped, don’t blame us it was those other guys that did it!!!”
They’re just trying to figure out a way to regain the trust they forfeited with their lies. Too late."
Posted by: maz2 at October 30, 2009 7:29 PM
As the commenter points out, the finger-pointing within the AGWarmist religion is starting.
Say goodnight, Lorne.
Goodnight Lorne.
...-
"*wws (16:17:17)
What’s pathetic is that all of the scaremongering (An Inconvenient Truth, anyone?) was just fine as long as it looked like it was driving a friendly political resolution.
But now that some of the brighter warmists are starting to realize that they’re just shooting themselves in the foot, it’s “hold on! We know that story was way overhyped, don’t blame us it was those other guys that did it!!!”
They’re just trying to figure out a way to regain the trust they forfeited with their lies. Too late."
Posted by: maz2 at October 30, 2009 7:29 PM
I a bit pressed for time right now and didn't get a chance yet to read ALL the comments above, so hopefully I'm not 'parroting' other posters.
My Point:
Should the Copenhagen debacle pass (now or in the future); what EFFECT would it have on the forming of a new republic...(peaceful or otherwise is immaterial in this scenario)
Would it be deemed an illegal action?
If not then would the signed (Global Treaty) by
the original participating country
be considered binding upon the splinter republic ?
I'm sure most can see where I'm headed with this as regards Western seperation from mainland Canada should we find ourselves in that worst of all possible situations of (shudder) supporting Upper and Lower Canada in their never ending desire to be economically free to pursue their neopolitan ways.
It seems to me that like most things to do with so called 'progressive thinking',things become static within the so called status quo and so innovative thinking dries up.
I mean seriously...who can competently call the shots on climate and what I perceive from these jokers, is thinking akin to painting oneself into a corner.
However if your looking to be the FINAL world authority on everything,then this scam is the one.
Posted by: simon at October 30, 2009 7:54 PM
My Point:
Should the Copenhagen debacle pass (now or in the future); what EFFECT would it have on the forming of a new republic...(peaceful or otherwise is immaterial in this scenario)
Would it be deemed an illegal action?
If not then would the signed (Global Treaty) by
the original participating country
be considered binding upon the splinter republic ?
I'm sure most can see where I'm headed with this as regards Western seperation from mainland Canada should we find ourselves in that worst of all possible situations of (shudder) supporting Upper and Lower Canada in their never ending desire to be economically free to pursue their neopolitan ways.
It seems to me that like most things to do with so called 'progressive thinking',things become static within the so called status quo and so innovative thinking dries up.
I mean seriously...who can competently call the shots on climate and what I perceive from these jokers, is thinking akin to painting oneself into a corner.
However if your looking to be the FINAL world authority on everything,then this scam is the one.
Posted by: simon at October 30, 2009 7:54 PM
Maz2: "S'bad 'nuff being called manbearswineAGW. And, can the LizardMay "left-wing greens" stuff and the Boob Mao Stlong Lae schtick."
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That must have taken some high falutin' keyboard finger dexterity. I'm impressed.
Posted by: Louise at October 30, 2009 8:36 PM
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That must have taken some high falutin' keyboard finger dexterity. I'm impressed.
Posted by: Louise at October 30, 2009 8:36 PM
for you western """separateestass""", up until about 1960 which way did the money flow?????
only ontario and BC were have provinces, sooooooo, alberta was a teet sucker till then
ontario has been a HAS province rite up to about 2 years ago,sooooooooo, you poor bassturds ain't start to pay us back yet, so please start NOW
thanx in advance
Posted by: GYM at October 30, 2009 8:47 PM
only ontario and BC were have provinces, sooooooo, alberta was a teet sucker till then
ontario has been a HAS province rite up to about 2 years ago,sooooooooo, you poor bassturds ain't start to pay us back yet, so please start NOW
thanx in advance
Posted by: GYM at October 30, 2009 8:47 PM
glasnost, we could join the US and then "we" would have an even longer undefended border, as that would leave Upper Canada without the means to fight for it and with whiny Lower Canada still to contend with. Of course, we would encourage and maybe even pay all the lefties to flee to Canada for safe harbour. Think of the possibilities.
Posted by: Louise at October 30, 2009 8:52 PM
Posted by: Louise at October 30, 2009 8:52 PM
This is starting to sound like a cartoon with fisticuffs and dust flying all over the place.
Posted by: Louise at October 30, 2009 8:55 PM
Posted by: Louise at October 30, 2009 8:55 PM
Are the numbers in the report based upon us all magically getting "green jobs" in "green technology"? If so, methinks they are a wee bit optomistic...
Posted by: mecheng at October 30, 2009 11:09 PM
Posted by: mecheng at October 30, 2009 11:09 PM
Since joing Canuckistan in 1905, the Province of Alberta has recieved monies from the center of the universe one year,1908. The rest,it has given more then it recieved. Google it GYM.I don't do work for socialists.
